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Deadliest Monsters: Red Dragon vs Gold Dragon – The Results

Written by Janna - Published on July 2, 2009

Janna discovered D&D at the age of 16, and she's been rolling the dice for 16 years. (You do the math.) She is fond of intelligent villains, drow society, and campaigns that explore the Dark Side.

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In our last installment, we prepared for a deadly battle between the Ancient Red Dragon and the Ancient Gold Dragon.

According to readers’ comments, Red was the favorite to win, but not by as wide a margin as you’d think. Of course, all of the staff members here at DungeonMastering were shoe-ins for Team Red. (Really, Expy! Don’t eat me!)

As some readers pointed out, it would be unlikely for old dragons to square off like this. They’d rather throw armies at each other. But that kind of battle takes a really, really long time to hash out, so you’re stuck with the more improbable (and more fun) scenario of a one-on-one draconic death match.

Others thought that the difference in mechanics from MM1 to MM2 would make the battle unfair. Did it? Let’s find out…

Round 1

It started with some smack talk, the likes of which no self-respecting dragon would ever engage in. Phrases like ‘overgrown newt‘ and ‘kindling‘ were tossed about. Then Gold took the initiative, and it was ON! It was a flurry of claws, wings, and inferno breath. After the smoke cleared (about 45 minutes later), one dragon emerged victorious: The Ancient Red. He was bloodied, but his breath and claws finished off his opponent. There was much gloating throughout the lair.

Score: Red 1, Gold 0

Round 2

This time, Red took the initiative and started the battle off with his incendiary halitosis. Gold wasn’t able to withstand the damage due to his lack of fire resistance (imposed by Red’s evil secondary attack). Gold was able to dish out some decent physical damage, but he succumbed to Red’s fire attacks in fairly short order.

Score: Red 2, Gold 0

Round 3

Yeah yeah, this was a best 2 out of 3 competition, so there wasn’t really a need for a Round 3. But we decided to be thorough (and we were having a blast), so we went for it. Gold won the initiative roll. Red’s player managed to roll pretty craptastically this time (a known hazard), but due to Red’s superior hit points and fire resistance, and his ability to negate Gold’s fire resistance altogether, Red still edged out a victory.

Final score: Red 3, Gold 0

In a 4E battle between ancient wyrms, the red dragon was the deadliest monster. *insert gong of victory sound byte here* Maybe the mechanics did have something to do with it. Or maybe Red dragons are just the ultimate badasses.

Want to see who would emerge the victor in a battle between dragons and uber-wizards? Check out Critical-Hits and their “Real Ultimate Showdown – Final Round“.

Deadliest Monsters 2: ?? vs ??

The dragon vs dragon fight was a lot of fun for everyone involved. So, if you had your choice, who would you want to see facing off against each other? More dragons? Laughable minions? Liches? Maybe even a battle between gods? The next “Deadliest Monsters” battle is in the works, so speak now to let us know which fight you’d like to see!

(And be sure to congratulate Expy on Red’s win.)

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Janna discovered D&D at the age of 16, and she's been rolling the dice for 16 years. (You do the math.) She is fond of intelligent villains, drow society, and campaigns that explore the Dark Side.



18 Responses to “Deadliest Monsters: Red Dragon vs Gold Dragon – The Results”
  1. Intentional says:

    I enjoyed this article up until the link to the Real Ultimate Showdown – Final Round. Date on it shows October 2007. Old… and incomplete. Sadness.

  2. Derek says:

    I’ve always wanted to see the Tarrasque against…well…just about anything. Maybe see how it stacks up against your mighty Ancient Red Dragon…or Orcus or Demogorgon. There’s really not much out there to stand up to it, one on one…yet. Maybe we’ll see more 30th level and up monsters in the MM3? I would guess that more players would have reached that level of play by then, and would be getting tired of killing ancient dragons, anyway. ;)

    -D =)D:

  3. ” would guess that more players would have reached that level of play by then, and would be getting tired of killing ancient dragons, anyway. ;)”

    Monty Haul anyone?

    Time to reboot your campaign, it’s getting silly!

  4. Janna says:

    @ Derek: Let’s make that two votes for the Tarrasque. Or three. Mine counts twice.

    @ The Recursion King: “Time to reboot your campaign, it’s getting silly!” Silly DM: “Why yes, that IS an illithid blackguard on a beholder mount. Why do you ask?” ;)

  5. hehe

    Derek’s post reminded me of some old Dragon magazine’s I’ve been perusing, where people wrote in with letters saying such things like ‘My 100th level fighter / 100th level mage / 100th level cleric multiclass character has beat all the gods and did the last high level module in 10 minutes and I was wondering if you could invent some more’ and ‘I killed Orcus in three rounds with my level 50 cleric and now rule all the hells with my army of 100 gold dragons’ lol

  6. Bartoneus says:

    Intentional: I agree it is weird to see a link to a poll contest we (Critical Hits) did almost two years ago, but rest assured the Ultimate Showdown WAS finished, and the dragons did end up winning (no matter how much I pulled for Ninjas the whole way).

    You can see the final results here:


  7. Yay for Expy’s team!

  8. FrostMage says:

    How about a Balor vs Red Dragon?

  9. Ethalias says:


  10. nijineko says:

    i wonder that these dragons were fought according to temperaments and likely strategies, given, of course, the limitation on no armies and whatnot. the attacks described do not sound like a gold’s typical strategy.

  11. DandDGuy says:

    Although I am new hear, Red Bad, Gold Good, Reds are a part of the larger Chromatic group of Dragons. Gold’s are the part of the larger group of Metallic Dragons. Both groups are Equal in strength and ancient and very powerful but, my vote is for the golds mainly because they are good in nature and not evil like the Reds. Its good to be geeky every once and a while.

  12. Noemie says:

    What you are forgetting is that a Gold dragon would have had his helpers outside his lair, so the the Red dragon probably wouldn’t have had the chance even to fight- Golds fight smart.

    But if the Red cought the Gold in surprise, or or in something related to honor… :)

  13. Wolf-Shifter Druid says:

    Tarrasque VS. Tiamat! OR Bahamut VS. Tarrasque! OR a Dragon God showdown! OR a battle with ALL the Lords of The Nine Hells in one big free for all!

  14. DandDGuy says:

    All of those would be interesting fights Wolf-Shifter Druid and I would like to see who emerges as the winner.

  15. Céline .S. Sauvé says:

    (Seriously, guys, if your code program is going to be buggy, could it at least leave the comment in the box when you have to go back to try again!?)

    Did you guys keep track of the fact that half of the Gold’s Breath damage ignores the Red’s resistance completely? I would have thought the Gold had it nailed. Three claw attacks, faster Breath regeneration and dual-energy Breath.

  16. The reaper says:

    How about kronos vs gaia both are legendary titans but who would win

  17. yor says:

    and i quote:
    “…Immune fire, paralysis, sleep; SR 34”
    what was that “lack of fire resistance” you were talking about?

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