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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
		<link>http://www.dungeonmastering.com/gaming-life/geeks-next-door-the-endless-debate#comment-10238</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a &#039;young&#039; player (23), I&#039;ve been lucky enough to have a fairly wide experience of various editions of D&amp;D. I remember being confused by THaC0 (&quot;What the hell is THIS thing? That&#039;s not a word!&quot; &quot;Gav, we&#039;ve explained it to you six times...&quot;), snowed under with feats (&quot;How the hell can I choose my first two feats if they&#039;re spread across sixty books? I just want to be a Fighter!&quot; &quot;Gav, you really should do some research...&quot;) and offended by what appears to be deliberate profiteering (&quot;I&#039;m here to play D&amp;D not Warhammer, what the hell do I need a miniature for? I&#039;ve never used one before!&quot; &quot;Gav, the rules don&#039;t work if I don&#039;t know exactly where everyone is...&quot;)

Overall, I have to say that 3.5 does it best for me. Yes, there are tons of options and complicated bits, and about a million books to trawl through to find exactly what you want, but I feel that if it slows play up we can just dump some of them (which we do). I like the &#039;anything goes, within reason&#039; ethos, and goddammit, I like the characters and games I&#039;ve had playing 3.5 more than any other edition.

2e was fun, while it lasted, but 3-3.5 was just so much more fun to play (for me, at least), and 4 was released, in my opinion, years ahead of schedule. I felt like I&#039;d only just got my 3.5 collection together and was happy with it before Wizards showed up with a big bag with a $ sign on it saying &quot;Time to update! By the way, miniatures are mandatory now, unless you really don&#039;t want the game to work.&quot; On top of that, it felt... like a board game, I&#039;m sorry, but that&#039;s the only way I can put it. When I finally got around to playing it (with my cousin&#039;s books, I&#039;m not stupid) it reminded me of the dinosaur of a GW product Space Hulk with extra bells and whistles.

Damn, I have gone on, haven&#039;t I?

So yeah, 2, good, 3, better, 3.5, great, 4 cash cow. And not even one I liked. Sorry 4-ed fans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a &#8216;young&#8217; player (23), I&#8217;ve been lucky enough to have a fairly wide experience of various editions of D&amp;D. I remember being confused by THaC0 (&#8220;What the hell is THIS thing? That&#8217;s not a word!&#8221; &#8220;Gav, we&#8217;ve explained it to you six times&#8230;&#8221;), snowed under with feats (&#8220;How the hell can I choose my first two feats if they&#8217;re spread across sixty books? I just want to be a Fighter!&#8221; &#8220;Gav, you really should do some research&#8230;&#8221;) and offended by what appears to be deliberate profiteering (&#8220;I&#8217;m here to play D&amp;D not Warhammer, what the hell do I need a miniature for? I&#8217;ve never used one before!&#8221; &#8220;Gav, the rules don&#8217;t work if I don&#8217;t know exactly where everyone is&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
<p>Overall, I have to say that 3.5 does it best for me. Yes, there are tons of options and complicated bits, and about a million books to trawl through to find exactly what you want, but I feel that if it slows play up we can just dump some of them (which we do). I like the &#8216;anything goes, within reason&#8217; ethos, and goddammit, I like the characters and games I&#8217;ve had playing 3.5 more than any other edition.</p>
<p>2e was fun, while it lasted, but 3-3.5 was just so much more fun to play (for me, at least), and 4 was released, in my opinion, years ahead of schedule. I felt like I&#8217;d only just got my 3.5 collection together and was happy with it before Wizards showed up with a big bag with a $ sign on it saying &#8220;Time to update! By the way, miniatures are mandatory now, unless you really don&#8217;t want the game to work.&#8221; On top of that, it felt&#8230; like a board game, I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s the only way I can put it. When I finally got around to playing it (with my cousin&#8217;s books, I&#8217;m not stupid) it reminded me of the dinosaur of a GW product Space Hulk with extra bells and whistles.</p>
<p>Damn, I have gone on, haven&#8217;t I?</p>
<p>So yeah, 2, good, 3, better, 3.5, great, 4 cash cow. And not even one I liked. Sorry 4-ed fans!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.dungeonmastering.com/gaming-life/geeks-next-door-the-endless-debate#comment-9404</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am old.  :-)

I started with a boxed basic D&amp;D with chits instead of dice.  I grew up playing some D&amp;D, some first edition AD&amp;D, quite a bit of edition &quot;1.5&quot;, (first ed with Unearthed Arcana and some other sourcebooks, Dragon Mag mods, house rules, etc.), and a bunch of 2nd edition.  I have stacks of old 1st and 2nd edition books, modules, and magazines, a big bag of dice, enough miniatures to lay out a medium sized battle, and TONS of good memories of time spent as a player and GM.  Many of my old players call the stuff I GM&#039;d &quot;2.Rob&quot;

Year later (but still several years ago) I started to playing again after 3.0 had been out awhile... but just as I was getting comfortable with it they put out 3.5.  I am getting too old to keep track of constant rule changes, and while I liked 3.0 well enough, I did not appreciate having to buy the books again.  When they announced that they were doing 4.0 I drew the line.  It&#039;s not that I can&#039;t afford it, I just don&#039;t believe in &#039;edition extorsion&#039;  If the game works, leave it alone and put out a bunch of supplementary material.

My kids are almost ready to start playing. Their introduction will be &quot;2.Rob&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am old.  :-)</p>
<p>I started with a boxed basic D&amp;D with chits instead of dice.  I grew up playing some D&amp;D, some first edition AD&amp;D, quite a bit of edition &#8220;1.5&#8243;, (first ed with Unearthed Arcana and some other sourcebooks, Dragon Mag mods, house rules, etc.), and a bunch of 2nd edition.  I have stacks of old 1st and 2nd edition books, modules, and magazines, a big bag of dice, enough miniatures to lay out a medium sized battle, and TONS of good memories of time spent as a player and GM.  Many of my old players call the stuff I GM&#8217;d &#8220;2.Rob&#8221;</p>
<p>Year later (but still several years ago) I started to playing again after 3.0 had been out awhile&#8230; but just as I was getting comfortable with it they put out 3.5.  I am getting too old to keep track of constant rule changes, and while I liked 3.0 well enough, I did not appreciate having to buy the books again.  When they announced that they were doing 4.0 I drew the line.  It&#8217;s not that I can&#8217;t afford it, I just don&#8217;t believe in &#8216;edition extorsion&#8217;  If the game works, leave it alone and put out a bunch of supplementary material.</p>
<p>My kids are almost ready to start playing. Their introduction will be &#8220;2.Rob&#8221; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Geeks Next Door &#8211; Smackdown &#124; Dungeon Mastering</title>
		<link>http://www.dungeonmastering.com/gaming-life/geeks-next-door-the-endless-debate#comment-9166</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeks Next Door &#8211; Smackdown &#124; Dungeon Mastering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Geeks Next Door &#8211; Spot Check &#124; Dungeon Mastering</title>
		<link>http://www.dungeonmastering.com/gaming-life/geeks-next-door-the-endless-debate#comment-8914</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeks Next Door &#8211; Spot Check &#124; Dungeon Mastering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dungeon Mastering &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Geeks Next Door - Evasive Maneuvers!</title>
		<link>http://www.dungeonmastering.com/gaming-life/geeks-next-door-the-endless-debate#comment-8771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungeon Mastering &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Geeks Next Door - Evasive Maneuvers!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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