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Good christians don’t play D&D

Written by Expy - Published on July 27, 2007

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I bumped into someone who had never heard of Dungeons & Dragons yesterday. Is that even possible? Especially with the wave of neo-fantastic movies coming out right now. I thought everybody at least knew that D&D what something geeks and devil worshippers had fun with.

Propaganda

Talking about the devil… There used to be some anti-D&D propaganda back in the 70s and 80s. I unearthed this priceless comic strip from a christian publishing. I hope you will appreciate it as much as I did. I had to read it twice to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating. Have fun reading Dark Dungeons by Jack T. & Chick Publications.

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  1. Pé0 says:

    wooooooo!!!!! man those people are disturbed seriously!

  2. asdf says:

    That’s what you get when people who believe “magical thinking” is real try to hang out with normal people.
    They think a harmless game will control their minds! Hilarious.

  3. Yax says:

    Yeah! Magical thinking doesn’t work. But I guess this propaganda worked to a certain extent. I’ve heard 2 different persons tell me that they thought D&D was evil stuff. One of them actually believed it.

  4. Pé0 says:

    and the other one thought that evil stuff was cool or what!!!

  5. Yax says:

    The other one knew it was bullshit. But still.

  6. billy joe mckeen says:

    oh god how i love intense right wing extremist a****les. lol i love being atheist, i dont have to worry about upsetting anyone or any higher powers, and i can laugh when i go tell my theology teacher im a satanist, though he almost dies when i do.

  7. gryphon says:

    Well yes I was there in the 80’s when all this nearly got out of hand.

    I was at a catholic school too, and indeed they did have a school governors meeting about it. Were we allowed to set up a club and play at lunch time, and after school?

    Yes

    Because for every misinformed Christian, there are many more who are not.

    It was a media fed storm in a tea cup. Poor foolish people without a reference to YOOF culture being told that something was OF THE DEVIL Because those self same people BELIEVE what they are told, if they are told it enough…it must be true.

    70’s it was Heavy Rock
    80’s it was DnD

  8. Nic says:

    Yax, I don’t want to play D&D anymore… According to this tract you were supposed to show me real magic 3 levels ago and you haven’t. I am sure you gave it all to PeO and abandonned me to face reality magic-less… I quit.. I am leaving my job to go study at Hogwarts.

  9. Yax says:

    If you play a cleric you get to learn real magic at level 8. Wizards have to wait until level 15.

  10. Pé0 says:

    So Nic now you know the source of my power.

  11. Gryphon says:

    Hogwarts?

    Where the hell is that

    You are better off with the Black Sorcerors Isle…at least Pug/Milamber is a proper mage…none of this using a stupid atheme or wand

  12. Yax says:

    Hogwarts… Sorcerer’s Isle… It’s just a bunch of guys in robes.

  13. Jim says:

    I am a Christian, even preached from time to time and I play Dnd, WOW, and other rpgs, not to mention I am a HUGE Tolkien fan (who was Christian by the way), Narnia fan (so was Lewis), and even Harry Potter. *Blush*

    All you need to do to be a Christian is place you faith in and follow Christ. He understands you are who you are and loves you for it.

    The problem is a lot of Christians can be judgemental. But not all of us are. Also a lot of people who aren’t Christian are very judgemental too. For example, not all Christians are right-wing extremists but many think we all are. Believe it or not some of us are even liberals.

    I once told another Christian who had a problem with gaming that it is no worse than watching a Disney movie and that opened up a wonderful conversation about what gaming is really all about (fellowship and having fun). They were cool about it and agreed that maybe it wasn’t all that they thought it was.

    One of the cool things I have always loved about gaming is that it is one of the few avenues that Christians and non-Christans can seem to get along with each other.

    So I would ask that before you (non-Christians) judge us with media hype and believe all the Christian extremists try to get to know us … we’re really not all that bad.

    Same goes for you Christians out there. Try not to judge gamers on bologna media hype and superstition. Gamers are usually pretty cool.

    We can all come to the table. Jesus tells us there is plenty of room. And maybe while we are there we can roll some dice. :)

    God bless and happy gaming.

  14. Yax says:

    Jim has a good point. We can’t generalize. Just as every other community in the world christians have a small percentage of crazy people that aren’t locked up and they make everyone else look bad.

    Thanks for the comments Jim

  15. Mike says:

    I’ll second what Jim said and add this. I moved to the Bible belt, and looking for a church and a gaming group has been an interesting journey. There are broad generalizations about both gamers and Christians. I find it’s usually the ignorant Christians that trash D&D, even though they don’t know exacly why D&D is bad when I ask them. On the other hand most the people I game with aren’t anywhere close to Christian, and they all appologize whenever they curse or say sanything appropriate. I thank them for the sentiment, but then I’ve got to tell them that they don’t have the same rules I do because they aren’t Christian. A fact that a lot of my Christian brothers and sisters often forget apparently.

    By and large most people (not just Christians) just say, “oh” when I tell them about D&D. I think it’s hard for adults who never played to ever get into D&D. So it just seems like an odd, and somewhat juvenile hobby. It’s got to be a culture thing, because if you go to a Tokyo arcade at lunchtime, you’ll see it packed with business executives. In America as a corporate VP, you’d get negative stigma if you took your luches to play D&D. Because we all know that corporate America is not a just big game. ;)

    The guy who made the anti-D&D tract is Jack Chic. He’s gone a little extreme on some subjects. He’s well informed, but he’s not really seeing the whole picture. For example it’s confirmed that while researching for the first AD&D the hardback books, TSR people interviewed self proclaimed witches. That doesn’t mean that you become a wich in the game though.

    So I suppose all misunderstanding comes down to information that lacks context. I don’t know how many times I’ve told a family member that we FIGHT the demon lords, we don’t PLAY as them.

  16. As a Christian who plays D&D I find that tract very embarrasing. But then again Jack Chick publications in general are embarrasing to all Christians. Contrary to the beliefs of the 70’s and 80’s it is possible to be a Christian and play RPGs, but as with anything one has to be cautious of how one plays.

  17. Crock says:

    Ah, I know I’m late with a comment, but I ditto those fellow Christians out there. It’s never been about putting people down and alienating others who don’t believe what we believe. Sadly, most of the vocal people (in faith and otherwise) get it wrong.

    I enjoy my D&D with believers and non-believers alike, and I’m embarrassed Jack Chick even published that.

  18. Stûnibu says:

    Not only am i posting on this very old topic but i think every thing has been said.. yet im still saying it again :P in my own little way!

    I am a Christain, i spend many hours at my church in a week for bible studies and serveces. a number of my friends who also go are into DnD. many things in the bible we actuly relate to the game, in a jking sort of way yet i think it still helps some of them understand what its on about!

    anyway, i have this one friend whos whole family are Christains (unlike mine) and they really dont like him playing DnD and for a long time he played behind their backs. so to make up for this we never played an evil campaign and like Mike said “we FIGHT the demon lords, we don’t PLAY as them” which made him feel better bout playing.

    as many of the posters on this site will know i dont have any probleams with DnD and spend MOST of my time (even when i should be doing other work) yet i still find time for God and other Spiritual growth.

    i do beleive in Satan and that he curupts ppls minds but i think that the guy in that comic has had his mind twisted as much as any one who plays DnD (and more than many) and i think that he has missed much of the bible message, how ever i wont get bogged into preaching here!!

  19. sideswipe says:

    all i can say is wow lol

  20. Ghuanafein says:

    D&D and Satanism!
    In 1974, Gary Gygax of TSR, Inc. gave birth to a new hysteria. It was called Dungeons and Dragons,
    and it would spawn a thousand games and books of its type, but none would come close to comparing to
    Dungeons and Dragons. It wasn’t until 1979 that the explosion of role playing games struck hard. It was
    exhaustingly popular and spread like wildfire all across North America and Europe. It is estimated that
    more than ten million copies are in print today. Dungeons and Dragons quickly became a culture, a way
    of life for some people. Since it’s release in 1974, there have been over one thousand other similar games
    that have followed in the tracks of D&D, not to mention the seemingly endless quantity of novels the
    game has created in it’s wake.
    Today, Dungeons and Dragons is subject to supposed accounts of Satanism, and is accused of counting
    ‘occult’ content. Many blame the game for suicidal and criminal activity among youth.
    Dungeons and Dragons is played by a group of people, possibly ranging from 3-6, where one person is
    the Dungeon Master (DM) and the others Player Characters (PC’s). The players create imaginary
    characters using the rules in the D&D Players Hand Book. The characters created can differ greatly,
    from the mighty warrior to the quiet and secluded wizard or even the charismatic elf. The possibilities
    are limitless. The group will usually meet at a designated playing area, (usually one of the player’s
    houses) and the DM will have pre prepared a ‘quest’. The DM decides what monsters, obstacles, traps
    and people the characters meet, and the players guide their characters through the DM’s dangerous and
    mystical world using their unique and reserved skills. Polyhedral dice are used to decide the outcome of
    most encounters.
    The DM’s imaginary world is usually a medieval one, only with dragons, magic, hideous creatures,
    gnomes etc. Typical quests involve rescuing people, seeking artifacts, destroying evil wizards, slaying
    wicked dragons and searching for knowledge, power or treasure. Many DM’s are skilled writers and
    create highly intricate adventures with well thought out plot lines, equally good as the plots of some of
    Hollywood’s best films. There is no ‘winner’ to the game, you simply go on as long as you desire, until
    your character becomes so powerful it is no longer a challenge, or until your character dies.
    Most dungeons and dragons players are in their teens to early thirties. They are more than often highly
    creative, intelligent, analytical and tireless.
    For the past fifteen years, Dungeons and Dragons has been set upon by many Christians and other
    religious groups for causing ‘harmful’ effects to those who play it. Patricia Pulling, the leader of BADD
    (Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons) seems to have started this war and continues to lead it ever
    since the suicide of her son, Bink Pulling in the late 1970’s. She began a campaign to restrict availability
    to the game by collecting numerous newspaper articles and reports of accounts where RPG players
    committed suicide or performed criminal activities. Groups such as BADD, concerning the satanic content of Dungeons and Dragons have written many books.
    Dungeons and Dragons has been accused of being the cause many things such as rape, murder, suicide,
    assassination, insanity and prostitution. It has also been accused of teaching necromantics, witchcraft,
    demonology and voodoo.
    All these groups and individuals seem to become so obsessed with proving Dungeons and Dragons to be
    satanic, that they loose sight of the facts at hand. There is absolutely no evidence that role-playing games
    contain harmful content at all, and they have been studied immensely.
    BADD estimated four million gamers world wide, and this number has most certainly increased since
    then. With the approximate teen suicide rates, five hundred of those four million gamers would commit
    suicide in a year. It was actually found that only four gamers committed suicide in the documented
    year… four. This means that gamer’s suicide rate is substantially lower than normal teens, four hundred
    and ninety-six lower.
    James Forest and Suzanne Abyeta conducted extensive studies of criminal activities committed by
    gamers and found that gamers committed fewer crimes than the same number of non-gamers.
    Dr. S. Kenneth Schonbert analysed over seven hundred adolescent suicides and discovered D&D was
    not a factor in any of them. FBI Special Agent Kenneth Lanning states in his book that there is no
    connection between role playing games and crime.
    With facts like these right in front of them, it’s a wonder organisations such as BADD have not halted
    their constant assaults on role playing games. It seems that anti role-playing organisations judge what
    they see by word of mouth. The main problem with these people, it seems, is that they have not
    witnessed a gaming session or read the manuals. They accuse the book of containing descriptive
    procedures for casting spells. Gary Gygax, creator of the game stated: “I made all those spells up out of
    my head, how can they take it seriously?”
    Patricia Pulling also believes the game to be blasphemous because it contains words like spellcraft,
    resurrection, deity and demon. The bible too, contains these words, yet is it any less holy? Terms such as
    these are commonly found in current media, and they are not criticised.
    At no point in the D&D Players Handbook does it even hint at devil worship, animal sacrifice or occults.
    It does not encourage random killings, murder or rape. It allows you to choose your character alignment,
    and it suggests your character being lawful and good. Most DM’s don’t even like evil characters to play
    in their quests.
    Those who blame D&D for their child’s suicide don’t take into consideration drug abuse or previous
    criminal activities. They are frantically searching for something to blame it on and D&D seems a logical
    enough decision, since their child was interested in it. What about the child’s other interests, like
    reading? Of course reading is educational, so no one blames it for their child’s suicide or criminal purges. Well, if it were to be looked at a little more closely by some people, D&D contains just as much
    educational value as reading, if not more. It teaches much about medieval society and culture, for the
    game revolves in a flourishing medieval society. It teaches new vocabulary and acting skills, since the
    players often change their voice and speak in medieval terms, taking on the role of their character. Basic
    math skills are constantly used. Adding up dice totals quickly and calculating whether or not they ‘hit’
    their opponent can greatly benefit younger players.
    While parents have the reserved right to censor what their children read and do, they should not censor
    on groundless fears. I recommend Dungeons and Dragons to anyone for it’s highly educational content,
    and for it’s fun, seamless game play. It’s a good opportunity to get together with your friends, eat snacks
    and have some fun. I also find it keeps kids out of trouble, for when Friday nights come along, parents
    know their kids are safely downstairs, playing D&D and drinking coke, instead of out partying, getting
    high or comitting crimes.
    By: Calvin Cockell

  21. Ghuanafein says:

    This is a conversation that I had with my parents many, many times after they found that I was playing D&D. My father was a minister at the time, and my mother was raised by an ultra-conservative southern family. I seriously thought that she was gonna have a stroke when she found out. This was right about the time that a couple of retards (no offense to any present!) decided their D&D games were too bland and decided to “spice things up” by turning their gaming sessions into a live-action game. Needless to say, two teenagers were found “hack-n-slashed” to death in their parents’ basement. Unfortunately, that means that every young, impressionable youth is going to do the same thing. My father and I had a long talk, during which I showed him some quests that my buddies and I had drawn up. Since then, -almost 10 ago-, they’ve come to realize that D&D is nothing more than another creative outlet. The moral of the story is ~~~~~ Anyone can have a preconceived notion about something, but intelligent people know when to change their POV once they have all the facts.

    BTW. . . “The Orc King” friggin’ rocks!!!!

  22. Stûnibu says:

    WOW! that was to long 2 be a comment :p (not complaining)
    I think we all agree now that DnD is perfectly ok :)

  23. FireRaven says:

    I know one woman that Doesn’t believe in Dinosaurs. Because she had been told not to, but had NO idea why! My husband was friends with her husband. After being told that by her he came home, completely dumbfounded and asked me if I had ever heard that. I have heard the argument that they aren’t in the Bible and therefore didn’t exist. That the fossils are either a Test of Faith by god or a trick of the devil. Some people feel more comfortable being told what to think and will not question, others among us just aren’t comfortable with such a dogmatic attitude. Sadly the sort of people who swallow Dogma whole are the sort of people that could not only never Play a game that takes place mostly in the mind but could never understand why anyone would want to.

  24. Ghuanafein says:

    I know that was a pretty long post, but it’s an actual news article.

  25. Yeah, Jack Chick is retarded. He said he was Wiccan but he used Satanic books.

    I am a Wiccan and since when did we start using Satanic books? We have no “Bible” we write our own.

    Just everyone know that a Wiccan and an Agnostic conservative see eye to eye hear.

    I’m also friends with MANY D&D Christians. Some of them do play spellcasters so that proves Jack Chick is an idiot again.

  26. Sandrinnad says:

    I’ve known a couple of very Christian D&D players and the only thing I thought a little odd was that they would play clerics, of various gods, but they wouldn’t play mages….

    one thing major thing is that gaming in general actually gets you out dealing with other people – which in a society where we’re spending more & more time alone in front of a computer is really good

    then again I think gaming should be required for kids :D teaches them all sorts of things about relating to people, taking turns, simple (depending on the system) math skills, actions and consequences, imagination, self-control, teamwork, and all those great things. Then if they decide to try DMing – whole ‘nother kettle of fish with deadlines and thinking ahead and planning something that’s fun for other people and a whole whack of responsibility & creativity rolled into one! Wonderful stuff!

  27. Calvin says:

    heh, that was my grade 9 essay you posted… how did you find it?

  28. Andrew says:

    I have a question. Why does my religon hate & make up lies about D&D? I hate those @$$holes who say those things. I just read a site a pastor made and he had brimstone in his throat. He was the definition of a pack of lies. He says D&D players admire Hittler… thats bull $h!t. He makes me (a christian) look stupid. He did no research What so ever. He thinks D&D Players rape merder ect. people in the game. Ding Reality! D&D players play as HEROS! The only thing we kill in the game is evil beings. And just for the record we dont do rituals to summen a Bloody thing. Im sorry for the bad spelling but im still P!st at that @$$holl who made that site. Thanks for listening to my rant. bye bye.

  29. Andrew says:

    i’m sorry about earlyer… if you want to see wat p!ssed me of here http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp Its kind of funny now that i think about it… i think its the same guy who made the cartoon.

    Im really sorry

  30. Bomber says:

    This is hilarious… this is truly how Christianity (and all organized, tax-free religions) works. They relieve you of your personal responsibility, and your freedom of thought at the same time. And they use things like D&D as the scapegoat.

  31. Alphadean says:

    Believe it or not guys I lived thru that era. I caught so much trash because so many people believed that propaganda.
    When I was in High School we had an assistant principal who was student of Pat Roberts from the 700 Club. She actually got our club disbanded and had some of our parents putting us in counciling. It was fricking crazy. I’m glad my dad was cooler than most and talked to me, checked out the books and then even played a couple of sessions with me and the guys. He was the one that convinced some of the more gullable parents to use their heads and not listen to some crazy aealot of the 700 club. Those were the days…and almost 30 yrs later I still play this lovely game…and I have not scarificed my wife or children

  32. Jason Fisher says:

    Unfortunately as a Christian we still face this back water crap today.

  33. Gino says:

    (shudder) I hate those little Chick booklets. I still occasionally get them in the mail.

    It’s annoying, simply annoying. I’m a Christian, and we even have a healthy Christian role-playing group where I live. It’s good to see I’m not alone in thinking this propaganda is utter bunk.

  34. johnnyhelsinki says:

    Ghuanafein wrote: “The moral of the story is ~~~~~ Anyone can have a preconceived notion about something, but intelligent people know when to change their POV once they have all the facts.”

    Unfortunately, from my experience (family, mostly) people find comfort in unquestioningly accepting whatever comes over the pulpit (or, increasingly, through the television set) as gospel, and never having to really think about what they believe. It’s a lazy kind of faith that makes you feel righteous without any actual effort.

    On the other hand, I think the learning real spells after eighth-level was a clever piece of propaganda thought up by some DM to get *somebody* to play the cleric.

  35. Soda Bob says:

    The history of English Christian literature is full of combinations of legends, lore and biblical themes. The first known written English story, Beowulf, combines magic, monsters and Christian heroes. Tolkien and CS Lewis were devout Christians. Shakespeare employed magic and magical creatures in several plays. Milton, with Paradise Lost, added much mythology, legend and demonology to the Christian understanding (much of what people believe about heaven and hell comes from Milton, not the Bible). And so on.

    You can blame Tom Hanks for much of the 80’s hysteria about D&D and roleplaying games (see his early movie /Mazes & Monsters/).

    Bob.

  36. Maikl says:

    I am Christian, catholic to be more precise. And it has never occured to me that playing D&D may be a sin.
    The first commandment says: “You shall have no other gods before me.”
    As long as RPG, video games, whatever is not more important than your faith, it’s all ok.
    Secondly, check out some of the links around the comic, awesome:)

  37. Ryan Reid says:

    This hoopla is what turned me on to D&D. ;)

    My mom told me one time, my cousin who is much older than I got caught up in D&D and ran away. From that moment I was very curious about the game and its subculture.

    Sure, some Satanist play D&D, but not all D&D players are Satanist. And vice versa for Christians, some play, but not all that play are.

    Either way, I read a great editorial in Dragon a few years back that said the gaming industry, more so D&D, needs another scare like this to spark the interest of gamers young and old.

  38. Ryan Reid says:

    Wee!

  39. Shadow Blade says:

    I would just like to point out that as a christian I do play DnD. Most christians don’t take the time to look at the game for what it is….. and that is a simple game. Those I play with also understand this concept. The only true way something like that cartoon would truly happen would be if someone would let the game control them rather then they control the game. I am a DM and I enjoy every minute of it. It doesn’t make me any less christian.

    In any case I defend both aspects of the topic. By the way I prefer multiclassing Psion(seer) with the Monk. No armor and all touch powers can be combined with the flurry of blows!!!!

  40. lord soth says:

    i am a christian who plays dnd, and i thought that all of this stupidity died with the eighties, but low and behold, my pastor starts ranting about dnd. whats really funny, his entire speach was just Jack Chick’s Straight talk about Dungeons and Dragons, with a little bit of added gruesome detail. I have played for seven years, and have never realy had a problem. But after the speach, two of my players decided that they couldnt play anymore. WTH?!? and when i asked the pastor, he had absolutly no knowledge about dnd whatsoever. That is what realy makes me mad, that instead of having his own reasons, he basicly just said “Well, it was in a book.” if the people complaining about dnd would just stop and learn a little about it, then im sure that all of this foolishness would stop. Im sorry if ive ranted a little, but this p!sses me off!

  41. Craig says:

    I am a christian that use to play D&D. I played for 10 years. I was the DM for almost every game except the first few. I never bought into the witchcraft story some christians throw around against D&D. I played the game I knew better. I don’t play anymore for several reasons. Family, work, church, chores, the list goes on. I would like to tell you these are the reasons I stopped playing. That is how it started for me, no time to game meant no games. Then it struck me, my mind was always on the game. Friends would call me at all times of the day and night for answers about the game. I knew the answers every time. Everything I did was second to D&D. It is a fun game but I was getting carried away. My family, wife, kids should come before the game. At times I felt like they were stopping me from doing what I wanted most, the game.
    I knew then something was wrong with the way I looked at the game. Don’t get me wrong, if you had asked me I would have told you my family was more important to me. But in the heat of the moment I don’t know that I wanted to pick my family over the game. That got me to thinking, am I putting the game before God? I was at that time I had a reality check. This is the reason I don’t play anymore. I am not saying D&D is evil, I am just saying I could not balance the game and my faith. This is a record of my battle with the game. I think it is great for a christian that can balance the game and their faith to play the game. Jesus went to the places that sinners (the bible says everyone, that includes every christian, is a sinner) hung out to share God’s good news with them. Christians need to be with people outside of the faith, we are suppose to be like Christ. But I had put the game before God and that breaks the first commandment. Thus as you can see I am a sinner, but this sin and all my other sins have been forgiven through the life, death, & reserection of Jesus. God has call me to something more than just reaching out to the friends I played D&D with, though I feel that would be a wonderful calling. I am still friends with all the people I played with before. I am writting this for those that play the game and put it before all other things. Please, know there is more fufilling things life has to offer. To all others, may God bless you and your friends around the gameing table.

  42. Nathaniel Daffinee says:

    Also a Christian gamer, and I can’t believe some of the stuff Chick had in the article. He gets that Hitler is worshiped or admired just because he was used as an example of high charisma? However, I do agree with Craig that for a Christian gamer, there must be a balance, and for us, serving God must come before the game, as do our families.

  43. Andrew says:

    that cartoon is funny i must say. just woundering what kind of jack @$$ belives this crap. does chick really believe the bs there saying. and yes they still p!ss me off. i have a question, why in the h*** does chick & other people pick on D&D?

  44. Linguini says:

    I think a protracted game of Monopoly is probably more dangerous to your spiritual health then D&D.

  45. Chris H says:

    I’d just like to comment on this bit, from one of the replies above regarding Jack Chick;

    “He’s well informed, but he’s not really seeing the whole picture. For example it’s confirmed that while researching for the first AD&D the hardback books, TSR people interviewed self proclaimed witches.”

    I’ve got a couple of problems with that. Firstly, anyone who thinks that Jack Chick is well informed is – to put it as delicately as I can – delusional. Seriously, a man who believes that D&D involves learning real magic, or believes that real magic exists at all, is less than conversant with reality.

    Secondly, the assertion that Gary Gygax or Dave Arneson interviewed witches to ensure that the “rituals” in the game were accurate is utterly laughable to anyone who’s actually read or played the thing. Spell-casting in D&D consists of a player saying “I cast Magic Missile” or some such, and maybe rolling dice. And that’s it. You can really see where the expertise of those non-existant witches came in handy, can’t you?

    The whole D&D controversy is the product of a bunch of people who believe in magic (and find it hard to understand that most other people don’t) being made to feel uneasy about something they don’t understand (role-playing games) and haven’t bothered to learn anything about. Sadly, it reflects more on the close-mindedness and gullibility of those who protest D&D and less on those who actually play.

    In the real world, D&D is about as harmful as a good game of Scrabble… unless you’re afraid that Scrabble may force you to spell out evil incantations. Woooo, lets start a Scrabble Controversy!

  46. Grandma Ladydi says:

    This really makes me laugh. The person who wrote the comic strip is most likely the same sort that wanted to put pants on Donald Duck. My daughter got me into gaming and I love it. We have a mixed religion christian household. I and my daughter are catholic and our husbands are not. I always thought that the basic tennet of christian belief was to love one another. If this comic isn’t breeding hate I don’t know what else would.

  47. Corvid says:

    Craig said:

    Everything I did was second to D&D . . . . It is a fun game but I was getting carried away. My family, wife, kids should come before the game. But in the heat of the moment I don’t know that I wanted to pick my family over the game. . . . But I had put the game before God and that breaks the first commandment.

    Well, all I can say Craig is you better stay away from World of Warcraft and other online games — they are the heroin to the D & D caffeine.

  48. R says:

    Wow this is a really weak argument. I’ve seen it before but I never bothered really thinking about other then for an occasional laugh. But lets look at what this comic really says: (Warning ***hole-ish comments and sarcasm ahead.)
    Someone I hardly know gets their PC killed, and rather then just re-rolling or getting raised from the dead, commits suicide. Someone this far gone would kill themselves over any other possible imagined slight anyways, AND I get kick ass spells or supernatural powers? I don’t see the down side to this set up.
    I don’t know many people would down turn a chance to have a spell like Charm Person IRL. Yet, I’ve been playing this game for 16 years, I have several Epic Level character so I’d like to know when I’m supposed get this invite. ;)

  49. JMiller says:

    Good Christians don’t play D&D.

    But Jesus loves the Chaotic Neutral Christians, too.

  50. Yax says:

    I couldn’t have said it better.

  51. Kynesis says:

    Surely using fantasy role-playing game system, your GM can make a world conducive to whatever ethnic or religious goals & ideals you share and explore adventures whose features & goals further support those of your ethnicity / religion?
    Come to think of it, I can’t imagine a better way of getting kids (and not-so-kids) involved and make them feel the history of their culture/religion actually lives and is something they can participate in and explore aspects they wouldn’t normally see.

    It sounds like the argument against is at its heart – that people can’t trust themselves (or others) to consider or think about how they’d act in unusual situations or as a member of a different culture for fear they’ll learn some terrible truth.

    If your religion has nothing to hide then you’ve got nothing to fear from putting yourself in somebody elses shoes for a while or allowing the people who look to you for guidance from doing the same.

    If on the other hand there is some reason to stop people from learning from /about other cultures/lifestyles… you’ve got more to worry about than whether your neighborhood geeks are rolling dice in the garage.

  52. Sinn says:

    I play DnD and I’m neither a nerd or a devil worshiper. I’m actually one of the most popular people in school.

  53. Josh says:

    I am a born-again, Spirit-filled Christian who has been playing D&D for about 13 years. I have encountered the same prejudice as other people have described here (including being described as a Satanist and sent for counselling by schoolteachers). The central problem Christians have with D&D is that the Bible forbids witchcraft as sin (before all the Wiccans out there flame me … its just one opinion and biblical Christianity does not support persecution). D&D describes magic (witchcraft) and is an immersive environment. This is confusing to some. The central defense to the Christian objection to D&D is that IT ISN”T REAL. If it was real, their would be a Christian objection to it. It isn’t real, so there is no objection. Anything more is silly prejudice, which goes against one of the central commandments of the Christian faith: “Love others as you love yourself.” It also violates the Biblical commandment of “Don’t judge others or you will be judged in turn” and “Judgment is mine, says the Lord”. Next time some asshat pseudo-Christian persecutes you, quote that :)

  54. Brett says:

    From personal experience, I’ve noticed that Anti-DND people got their fuel from actual devil-worshipers who play the game. Yes, I knew someone in High School who was like that, and he actually believed that casting magic was possible. Needless to say, I avoided him as much as possible, but there are that kind of people out there, even if a small minority. On a different note, my friend was called a devil-worshiper in my Japanese clase by our teacher when we were talking about DND! It was flippen hilarious, and we just laughed at him, and explained a few things. Because people generally pay more attention to the bad aspect of things (just watch the news, how many heart-warming stories are there?), than the good aspect, they become ignorant on the subject, such as my Japanese teacher.

  55. fishercatt says:

    I am a born-again Christian, and have never been happier. My personal spiritual journey started as an atheist, but the smarter I became and the more I was able to understand the things I read the more I started listening to Christ. I have certainly evolved as a man since I was a kid. I remember picking up DnD and thinking that it was great. Sure, I hid it from a lot of kids in High School, and my mother thought I was out in the woods with my friends hitting each other with sticks (she had no idea what we were doing), but it was DnD that was my first true introduction to the Bible. I started reading more and more about DnD and all these offshoot publications and it really made me want to find that true balance I was reading about. Eventually I found it in the Bible. Now more than ever I am involved DnD and roleplaying. Now that I am fully committed to God I don’t feel even a little bit bad about playing DnD. If parents want their children to be raised well and put a filter on their experience with evil I suggest they don’t let them watch the evening news or read the paper. There are no drunk drivers in the Players Handbook, pedophiles in the Dungeon Masters Guide, or rapists in the Monsters Manual.

  56. Klaive says:

    Wow, that was interesting… Now I think I know where my mother got all her crap from. On another note I noticed that there wasn’t just an anti D&D campaign while I was growing up but there were hypocritical side bars… IE my mother and the pastor of her church use to tell me that if I played D&D and took on the persona of my character during play I was opening my soul for the Devil. As Role-Play is the Devils sport. But then, one Xmas my brother and I got something strange… “Dragonraid” A Christian RPG. And when I tried arguing what’s the difference I would still be Role-Playing, they both stated yes but when you cast spells in “Dragonraid” you are quoting scripture so the Devil cant fight his way in. Yes, because quoting the bible while in character is better than being creative.

    I am the opposite of most of the last posters… I was raised Christian and over time as I became more intelligent Ive strayed from the path. As mine had to many bumps that just didn’t add up… this being one of them. I believe there are a lot of unexplained things in this world but I also believe the Bible is the Book of Virtues with the History of Man prior to Fall of Rome combined in one document.

  57. Issac says:

    Yeah Tolkien was an uber christnaught. And Lewis made major religious refernces in his work. People want to paint devil faces on everything so they can easily pick out what is evil and destroy it. Truth is evil is as subjective in thenature of humans as good. BTW I’m pagan and I don’t run around in circles with robes on, I don’t use D&D to “convert” people, and I like a lot of christians, the ones who actually have a faith and not a rehtoric

  58. TehGamer74 says:

    I was around in those days. It is quite a shame when one recalls it, because toy stores had shelves crammed with tons of gaming books. To think about it, the youth have actually took a hit in the literacy department because of this. Everyone I grew up around played d&d and loved to read. I get my love of Dragonlance from it. Most of my possessions are books, hundreds of them. Would I be less literate if not for d&d? Probably. These days most kids can barely bother reading anything not on a monitor. Now pardon me while I go play Oblivion.

  59. Robbie says:

    I remember those days. We were all doomed to hell for playing AD&D. I was lucky my mom took the time to find out for herself and never had a problem with me playing. My friends turned out fine and I guess I did since I am gainfully employed (currently goofing off) and a Christian to boot.

    Rob at work http://www.canvaspress.com but boss it’s not goofing off if your URL is in it!

    oh also we had a chaplain when I was a young marine who dropped those pamphlets around base and even in the restrooms.

  60. A Christian DM says:

    the guy who wrote that must have been one of those “ZOMG!!! It was MAGIC in it, IT MUST BE SATAN’S DOING!!!!!!11!!!one!” Christians. The kind that also hates Harry Potter and for some odd reason, Pokemon.

  61. Miwa says:

    See, the way *I* learned it, good Christians play clerics and paladins and otherwise Lawful Good characters and SMITE the evil they face! ;)

    I’m not entirely kidding here — one of my DMs was an Evangelical Christian who invariably played paladin PCs. I’ll bet he’d really dig 4e, since paladins got a huge boost this time around.

    The only people who take Jack Chick seriously are folks who aren’t gamers or even mainstream to begin with. Virtually every self-identifying Christian I know sees him for what he really is (and “good Christian” certainly doesn’t come to mind).

  62. LEONIDOS says:

    WHAT CAN I SAY….

  63. Barasawa says:

    Riiiightttt….

    Played with lots of good Christians, and Wikkans, a couple of Buddhists, several Athiests and Agnostics, and even one Jedi wannabe.

    One of the best campaigns I’ve ever been in was ran by a 63 year old Protestant preacher.
    Another one was ran/hosted by a couple of doctors.

    People playing D&D are too busy having fun to do stupid things like torture cats and spray paint pentagrams on the walls.

  64. Beryl Brightshade says:

    This thread is almost dead but…here’s my two cents

    I live in Alabama, I was introduced to D&D in third grade, picked it back up in high school. Really did not read through the rule books until second edtion (our 1st ed campaign the DM was winging big time). But I must say I can’t buy this story about people from TSR interviewing witches to get authentic rituals and castings. Very few of the spells in the PHB or other supplements have any description of how you cast it passed telling you there is a verbal (never give words), semantic (almost never describe these gestures). and material component (ok these are usually listed, but fanciful). And why go interview people, buy a book, go to the library, save time and money. The little I know about spells from “witchcraft” they take hours, days so on. casting a spell in D&D is 30 seconds or less with only a few exceptions, its not even trying to be the same.

    Anywho, on a personal note I went through the same stuff everyone else seems to have gone through. My mom thought D&D was evil, read book by Bob Larson? (maybe) that described the players being pitted against one another, and some ritualistic ceromony when your PC was killed where you had to bleed on the sheet and burn it or something (crazy right?) So we went underground, played at the library, in a van on a dead end street, in the woods (not LARP!!). Now she’s cool with it because I’m 33, have two college degrees and blah, blah, blah (don’t seem unstable)

    I don’t know whether to happy or sad that this is not just a Deep South problem.

  65. Clan Daddy says:

    Talk about deja vu all over again! I remember when we were playing in high school and a good buddy of mine got pulled out of the game by his preacher Pop. He showed up at our next session with these same bloody tracts trying to save our souls!. Thanks for the bad memories. Ugh!

  66. Drew says:

    Dark Dungeons is hilarious!
    Here’s one of my favourite parodies:

    http://www.fecundity.com/darkdung/index.html

    (but there are many more out there)

    p.s. my mum once burned my D&D books ;(

  67. Moose182 says:

    i am proud to say that regular posters on Dungeon Mastering are some of the most intelligent people on the net. Comparing youtube comments to the ones i have just read over is like comparing grelvish to quenya.

    d&d FTW

  68. Dire Hamster says:

    You’ve got to be kidding me, right? I thought this discussion ended about 20 years ago with the D&D nay-sayers feeling silly! Wow, that comic strip was a gas though! Ha, ha! If you didn’t know better, you’d think it was a parody or spoof!
    Well, I guess the D&D haters have found a new punching bag: A character in a children’s book called “Harry Potter”.

  69. Siris says:

    That is the dumbest thing I have ever read! Im Christian and I think thats bull! Dnd is so not evil. plus having a Wizard throwing lightning bolts and fireballs into orcs is awesome! plus I dont think anyone gets that obsessed about their character that they would kill themselves for it..

  70. Klaive says:

    Calm down Siris, I dont think anyone meant to offend you directly. It has been an age old battle, and if you’ve read all of the comments there are some people who stated their best DM’s were their pastors.

  71. Robbie says:

    Siris some people do get that obsessed but they would get that obsessed with anything that stimulated the mind as much as D&D does. It’s sad but it does happen and will always happen. Anyone have statistics on chess players commiting suicide?
    In a previous post I admitted my age and said I was there when this all started, well let me tell you there where more obsessed people trying to stop us from playing than there were obsessed people actually playing.

    I think I’ll call a few friends and get a game started this afternoon.

    Rob at work http://www.canvaspress.com but boss it’s not goofing off if your URL is in it!

  72. john says:

    Well, all I can say is that I’m glad I’ve avoided this nonsense in my country. The fundamentalists can do what they want in America and the Middle East, just stay away from Oz!

  73. Drew says:

    Err John… I’m from Oz, where my mother once burnt my D&D books…

  74. Azar says:

    Im Christian to siris and I totally get what you mean,but myself I would like to use a club and bash some undead zombie head into mush.All of those fanatic Christians should mine there own business the christian part of my family doesnt want me to play either but I do it anyway.God isnt going to punish me for playing a game for goodness sake c,mon whoever said that should DIE!

    !!!!I mean its the best darn RPG game ever Created!!!!

  75. John says:

    This annoys me – most Christians don’t know about D&D (seriously, RPGs are less well-known than gamers think they are :) ), but they heard from some guy who once got the impression from a thing he read one time that D&D might be dodgy – so they really don’t have an informed opinion on it, but given no other evidence, they’ll err on the side of not being interested.

    So – the Christians are the idiots.

    Of course, then you read forums, blog comments, whatever, where there are pages and pages of posts where people scream that Christians are frothing fundamentalists who hunt down and shoot RPG players in the streets, despite the fact that most Christians are rather “meh” about the whole thing (other than the honest hair-trigger-beat-down-on-anything-we-don’t-understand types, who are exist in every worldview). They claim that they’ve been bullied, hated or shunned when the smart money says that it’s got nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with the attitude, and the bullying/hating/shunning is coming from people who are dicks to begin with, and have a veneer of a belief system.

    So – those who claim antagonism from Christians are idiots.

    I’m a Christian leader in a good church. A friend of mine, similar situation, is founding an online D&D/M&M adventure-publishing company in the nearby future. We’ve told people – there has been no public outcry. In fact, most follow a more “congratulations, we’re really excited for you” attitude.

  76. Robbie says:

    John
    The reaction from christians to your involment with gaming is not the same as the reaction to teenagers that are not leaders in the church. Most of the christians that I have ever discussed this subject with will admit to not being happy about my involment but are ok with it because I am a strong willed adult. On the other hand they are very concerned about young people playing.
    Few of them are idiots. Most of them are uninformed. Some of them will never let a fact change their opinion.

    Hey, what’s your problem with fundamentalist. We need them in order to have a baseline for measuring where we are on the chart.

    Rob, not at work!!!

  77. John says:

    Well, I consider *myself* a fundamentalist… :) (strict definition is insisting on using a literal interpretation of scripture, which I do).

    I think it’s important to note that my first D&D set I ever received (the original D&D Basic, “The Red Book”), was given to me by my dad – a devout Catholic, who had at one point started training to be a priest. I was about 11 at the time.

    I know several churches where the *priests* (or pastors, depending on your flavour) play D&D with the youth (i.e. ages 13 – 18) – admittedly, I suspect it’s because they want it in a “controlled environment”, but still, this is a far cry from the “frothing at the mouth” archetype that people seem to have.

    (And, just to complete the set of disagreements) – In my experience, *adults* who play D&D have a harder time: “You should grow up and stop playing games!” (Last one was a bit of a stretch, but I wanted the complete set :) )

  78. Robbie says:

    Good idea to throw in a def of fundamentalist, the word has picked up so many negatives in the last few years people can get the wrong idea very fast.

    Great story about your father giving you D&D. My family story is a bit different. In 1985 my sister placed a sealed envelope in my china cabinet labeled: do not open until after the rapture. She says today that my envolvement in D&D convinced her I was in spiritual trouble. The good news is she has since removed the envelope and I have on several occasions DM’d for her three children. Yes I am the favorite uncle.

    On your last point, I wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard that or something very similar.

    Rob at work http://www.canvaspress.com but boss it’s not goofing off if your URL is in it!

  79. Matteo says:

    you know, i always ask myself why they continue to say that d&d is trying to teach about “real magic”…are they really so gullable that they though there is such a thing as real magic? David Copperfield should beware, or also they are going to burn him too….
    I am a Christian, and believe in Jesus and in his message of love and brotherhood, so i usually try not to judge others before getting to know them, because it is their free choice to chose their own belief, and their true value come from what they chose to do with their freedom. This is the main problem i see in their way of seeing it; all of this people let someone else do the thinking for them, …thus limiting their freedom …what good does one who is coaxed into believing? That kind of belief should come from inside ourselves; they fear the “corruption” brought by the violence in the games (which, by the way, is litterally at the discretion of the player free will and significantly less bloody then half current videogames), but i think that finding itself in a situation where you are able to “do” (in a fictional sort of way) what you want, can put you in front of your hidden desire and tendencies, some of wich may very well be “corrupted”, but then it was already inside you and the games just dig up what once was hidden. It could be very terapeutic, if done in the right way…
    and i swear that i never ever tought about Rape once while playing D&D…(Well considering that the usual creatures encounter were Orc , Goblin and Dragons and similar it should have been creepy if i did… )

  80. Matteo says:

    ps. sorry about my abysmal english, i am a bit rusty… and for the double post, too

  81. Janna says:

    I’m totally using that Mind Bondage spell on my dad so that he’ll buy me $200 worth of books and minis. I’ll let you all know how it turns out!

  82. Micen says:

    this is pathwetic i hate linvign in a very backwards town of the bible belt. this is told to me on an almsot daily basis or things like ‘Gary Gygax is a [insert your choice of anti D&D word] and he is burning in hell’ even if this is true then he had one hell of a ride and its sicking that people show no respect for the dead.

  83. TheLeviathan says:

    Tolkien was an uber christian. He even stated, when interviewed for a biography, that He, as is Tolkien himself, never wrote anything; furthermore no writer ever writes anything themselves, all things that are created through our minds are created through God who made us and instilled in us the ability to think and ‘create’ to a lesser degree than God. Kinda an off view but it is somewhat logical. In a round about way. But none the less I too play DnD and I have been a Christian since I can remember… so maybe before if you want a technicality, O and in Mr. Schnoebelen’s article, found here for his second one http://www.chick.com/articles/frpg.asp , he discredits a man who didn’t have foot notes and what not but I have read part of William Dear’s book; who by the way was THE private eye that investigated the disappearance of Irvine Pulling, who was the kid that started a large portion of this whole DnD is bad craze, and was one of the guys that was mentioned in the discredited article, and the kid had problems… lots of them. That comic was rather amusing and so is Mr. Schnoebelen. but anyway old post and I’m replying… I wonder whos goin to read this?

  84. Morthos says:

    Personally I’m atheist/agnostic but I have no problem with religion. Believe what you want, just don’t try to draw me into it. I’m probably one of the younger ones posting, only 18, but the fact is from my own experience there’s NOTHING wrong with DnD that would lead to suicide or the occult, unless you’re already drawn to either, and in that case DnD isn’t the cause of it, the problems go much deeper. I’m sick of all the negative publicity surrounding both RPGs and video games. As some comments here have shown, religious people CAN in fact be “good Christians” and roleplay. It’s possible.

  85. Janna says:

    @ Morthos: I totally agree. Did you know that country music has led to more suicides than heavy metal and D&D combined?? I saw it on ‘Manswers’, so it has to be true. ;)

  86. Marion says:

    The ones who did hurt themselves or other people were already in a state of woe with themselves and all they needed was a little push over the edge…..they just happened to use D&D as their particular outlet. I guess the makers of Smith & Wesson should be harrassed because some kid took his life with a revolver, huh?

  87. Grandma Ladydi says:

    D & D doesn’t kill people, people kill people.

  88. Bryce says:

    My parents used to be against it, now I am running a game with my parents and sisters and my oldest nephew. Once they saw how the game is played and how harmless it is, they have a lot of fun with it. All these people who are against the game need is to sit down and educate themselves…maybe do a short dungeon crawl. honestly, who wouldn’t like the game if you just play it?

  89. Spann says:

    I have played D&D for 29 years and have been a Christian for many more years than that. Since the early years I have always found the concern amusing. If someone tells me I should not be playing D&D because it is satanic then I simply ask them if they play Monopoly (greed), Go Fish (Envy), Battleship (Wrath), or any other game that invites a winner and a loser (Pride).

    D&D more than any other game promotes social bonding, creativity, imagination, survival instincts, problem-solving, team-building, and, yes, religion. Although there are many pantheons available, I have DMed and played characters who believed in a Christian God. AO in the FR is most likely based on most Gods worshipped in the real world. The key is that a well-developed character will either have faith, find faith, or be without it losing some possible benefits on game play.

  90. dugabug says:

    I’m a Christian and played for many years (yeah, I’m an old fart), and I endured the 80’s campaign against D&D. As I tell people it’s about imagination. It’s about the people who come to the table. I’ve been very fortunate to meet a wide spectrum of players, but have met those who definitely give it a bad name. So, like one poster said, if a satanist is going to play, he’s going to play “his” way. Of course, if you’re uncomfortable with how they play, you ask them to leave (and I have), or you find a new group of players who are there just to have fun and play the game the way it’s suppose to be played.

    It’s like the owners of guns. It’s not guns who kill people, it’s people who use the guns that kill people.

  91. Soveliss Nailo says:

    all right thats a gian load of bull sh!t, i am an avid player of dnd and i have never met or seen that bull sh!t you call an enjoyable comic, students arnt like that. There is no DM that i have ever met that is that f ‘n stupid, i play DM and when people die i give them the dice, the Players handbook and tell them to go into the other room and create a new character, thats how its been for a long while, I used my favorite Characters name because the hackability of the internet. I think that if you sat in on a DND game now a days you would find that that bull sh!t comic is WAY OFF!!! thats the most disrespectful thing you can do, Gary Gygax was a genious, i play football soccer and baseball and still play dnd, i also play WOW and Ikariam, its just life, they are games and people acting like this should die cause they are a fucking descrace, it would weed out the looneys :)

  92. Wolfman says:

    Re: Dark Dungeons

    Wow. All I can say is wow. I guess there’s a reason why Christian followers are called SHEEP. How could people believe this nonsense?

  93. Marion says:

    I say a big AMEN!! to that brother. The true Lord and Savior doesn’t want SHEEP. He wants critical thinkers who can discern the difference between reality and fantasy.

  94. Eddie says:

    first off its an rpg not a summining whats your problem dnd is a fun and harmless game to most people. also calling people geeks is like making fun of black people because theyre black you racest jurk also many dnd campains involve religous goals. just for the record i play dnd and im a christian

  95. rocher69 says:

    ???? its just a game …. why do ppl put relegion in something that has no need to be in it.. it not bad or good its a game .. but some ppl think its evil… for ppl that think its real life get a life… if its that bad with spills and all . pick on cartoons that are realy close to dnd…and if i think i can go around doing spills on others in REAL LIFE just shoot me please !

  96. SidMagus says:

    It’s kind of sad that this is still held over heads. As a Catholic and life-long DnD player (Seriously, I started playing at age 6) myself, I have had countless people wag their fingers and say, “SEE?! YOU XIANS ARE SO STUPID! LOL!” because of the writings of one clod, the actions of a handful of misguided people, and an overblown media campaign. For years, identifying myself as both devout and a player is met with
    shock.

    But as my fellow posters have shown, this attitude is slowly changing.

    So yes, Good Christians DO play D&D.

  97. Wulvaine says:

    Jack Chick is a crazy person who doesn’t understand the thing he’s attacking, much like Jack Thompson is in the world of video gaming.

    These pushy, raving wackjobs are the sort that give Christianity as a whole a bad name. I’m Christian, and I play D&D. I also listen to rock, play violent video games, and watch R-rated movies, yet I haven’t killed myself or anyone else, because I am perfectly capable of grasping the difference between fantasy and reality. Art and fiction are not portals to other dimensions. You’re not going to be mind-raped by Cthulhu, start trying to cast spells, or hang yourself just because you get together with a few friends, roll some dice, and tell some stories every week. Your brain will not explode and you will not be possessed by demons.

    Gaming is storytelling, and as many others here have commented, some of the greatest storytellers in the fantasy genre have themselves been not only Christian, but devout. J.R.R. Tolkien was deeply faithful, and this hobby would most likely not exist without his influence, and C.S. Lewis was an atheist turned Christian. These were men who believed in their religions firmly and told the same kinds of stories we as gamers are telling. Man is validated by the art he creates and the stories he tells.

    Most players prefer to play the good guys, the heroes, and I would argue that even if you ARE playing evil characters, it doesn’t make you evil. It’s a ROLE-playing game. You play the role of your character, not by becoming your character, but by acting as you believe the character would. If you’re evil for playing an evil character, then actors who portray villains in films or authors who tell the story and write the words and actions of the antagonist are evil as well, by extension.

    Human knowledge is defined by contrast, conflict, and experience. You can’t just be holy by locking yourself in a room where nothing can get to you. Good can’t exist without evil and vice versa. You must know the difference to make your decision, and even once the decision is made, you’ll make mistakes. And we are human. Even the greatest among us have flaws to overcome.

    Suicides are to tabletop gaming as school shooters are to video gaming: An infinitesimally tiny percentage who clearly already suffered from some sort of mental and/or emotional illness. Correlation is NOT causation, and what these people need (but may not accept) is education.

    True good Christians aren’t as common as they should be. Good Christians are open-minded. Good Christians don’t blindly follow any baseless hysteria that confronts them. And not only do good Christians play D&D, but they also know that when they get to heaven, Jesus will be DMing a game for them one night a week.

  98. Ajax says:

    I agree 100% with Wulvaine. I couldn’t have said it better myself. I too believe in Christ and know that we have to know the difference between fantasy and real life. And one more thing Rock n Roll will NEVER DIE!!!!!! I’m almost positive that Jack Chick was just pissed off cause his DM realized that he is a douche, so he had random Flesh eating Gnomes not only slay him but violate his dead corpse. Then his buddies shunned him and so he tried to join a Rock Band. All the Rockers saw that he was a pansy and used that as a way to humiliate him in front of all the cute girls so nobody would give him the time of day. So he resulted to some random Psychodic self rightous Christians that were all outcasts as well so they could be hated together. Those are only some of the many not nice feelings I have about this subject. And I also can’t wait for the eternities of Jesus DMing one night a week.

  99. Lee says:

    That almost HURT to read, it was so full of crap… man, people were flipping nuts back then!

    As for the surrealness of meeting someone who has no earthly idea what D&D is, I myself experienced it recently; my brother’s girlfriend had never heard of it. XD

  100. RA says:

    Though the cartoon in the original blog post takes the idea to an extreme that I find hard to believe exists in the gaming community today, it can be easy for us to become so involved in a game or other activity that it eventually becomes a main focus in our life.

    When more of our time and energy is spent on games rather than on understanding God through Biblical study, prayer (etc), those games have become idols in our lives (a rebellious act on our part, whether we realize it or not).

    It is important not to let games consume us to the point that it starves us off from our spiritual growth. Though this may seem like an elementary statement, it’s often a struggle to our priorities in order.

  101. Grant says:

    I can’t believe all these people try to blame D&D because their kids comitted suicide ad just happened to play D&D. It makes me sick to see that they automatically try to find something blame instead of themselves who are probably at fault for their kids suicide. Its a disgrace to the kids themselves that their parents don’t even truly try to see why they did it and try to blame something they don’t know or understand. I just don’t understand why they can’t see that D&D’s no more harmful than a book or tv or the internet for that matter

  102. D&D preacher says:

    Good Christians don’t play D&D? I am a Minister of the Gospel and I play D&D at least three times a month, there is nothing wrong and in fact there are some very good things with D&D and other role playing games first it teaches us to value the gifts of others (clerics heals, fighters protect and so on) next we see the basic math in character creation as well as reading, heaven forbid we do that reading and math are lacking in today’s video world. now let us look at fellowship aka social life these games are played around a table with others hopefully having fun. on to a little about me I have played D&D since the winter of 74-75 got my first set after a accident this was the only time I could do stuff with my friends.
    So here we are thirty six years later and I have yet to go wiggy and shoot up the mall, offer my close family (or anyone else) up as a sacrifice to Satan, Cthulhu or anyone else.

  103. psychicninja says:

    These aren’t just old and forgotten. I worked at a bookstore for a few years up until 2007 and we still had people come in every few months and sneak these into the D&D books. Made us laugh, but it was really annoying.

  104. Hammerfall says:

    These guys were just a handful of misguided souls who managed to scare some parents into panicking. But this was hardly restricted to the fringes of Christianity. In fact, in the 80s you had a fringe atheist group with respondents in multiple countries trying to do the exact same thing (get dnd put “under watch” or outright banned because they felt it would make children violent deviants or indoctrinate them into religions).

    As a devout Christian and lifelong D&D player, I always had a sigh and a chuckle everytime Jack Chick is brought up. The man was not only theologically illiterate (No, seriously. Not a darn thing in his tracts have biblical support and his exegesis is pitiful ), a bigot (he really had it out for Catholics, Episcopalians, and…really anyone who wasn’t part of his very specific radical sect), and lousy writer (What? It’s true!), he was just plain bonkers.

    I’ve been playing tabletop RPGs for over 32 years now (Yes, I’m old. No need to rub it in) and I’ve played with hundreds of christians from almost every denomination, and countless other individuals from various walks of life ( hindu, muslim, jewish, buddhist, non-religious, and neo-pagan). Not once have I ever, EVER heard a problem about it from any of them.

    The guys that do this, religious and non-religious alike are just a minuscule handful of malcontents who just like to raise a racket here and there just for attention.

    So to answer the opening statement: Yes, Good Christians DO play D&D. In fact, one of the authors of 4th edition players handbook, James Wyatt is a devoted Christian (he even used to be a minister himself).

  105. Hank says:

    I’ve created a story where Jack Chick is forced to do all the things he is against.

  106. Andrew says:

    Yesterday, I saw a Dungeons and Dragons trailer as an ad while I was watching my favorite TV show on the internet.I never heard of the game before, even though I don’t live in the US… however I don’t really think that a game could possibly turn you to killing yourself over the death of your character.Things like this were said about WOW too, from what I can recall.And yet my char died in PVP countless times… however the point is that I think those guys were exaggerating. ( I’m sorry if my English isn’t that great, I’m not from an English-speaking country. )

  107. Ian says:

    This is hilarious! I can’t believe there are people out there who actually believe that playing D&D possesses you with demons!

  108. BOOPSHAWOOP says:

    I read one of chicks articles and he hates on anything nonchristian. clearly he’s right…..right?

  109. Kevin says:

    As a Christian who was also a dungeon master I can say that this is very false. If you did your history then you would know that the movement was from a upset mother who blamed Dungeons & Dragons and anyone who doesn’t understand where has never played Dungeons & Dragons would not know myself included at one time that it is about how you play not the game itself. There are many evil aspects of a game, but just like anything there are times that you must be weary of what you are doing if you are a Christian playing. Is Just as playing any other game the difference is it can become an obsession or cause Christians to stumble in there a walk so that Dungeons & Dragons is more important. FYI the Magic in the game is not real however if you believe in hell and demons then you should be wary of other “magic” more like summoning or selling your soul, such as Fortune cards or Ouija boards. If you don’t believe me talk to someone who does practice sorcery. I’ve known a couple personsly.

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