Comments on: Top 10 reasons D&D4E will be the best RPG ever

By: Scry

Scry — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:42:49 +0000

I have been spending the last 2 months going thru endless threads of why this is good, why this sucks, 10 reasons this will fail…it’s a pain. But I will say I found allot of useful information here. I myself am working on a new Table Top RPG, well old to me. The project has taken 7 years. i know my post is a little late but because i noticed time doesn’t matter in this thread i wouldn’t mid getting in contact with any of you via Email, to talk about what makes a Table Top a Table top, my main goal isn’t to make profit, but rather to bring back the old RPG gaming style with a few new tricks. i to played every Ed of D&D but this last one, with all my recourses going to my game it’s been a hassle to pull money out from publication costs. But if you feel like chatting you can contact me at Incarnum11@hotmail.com

Ps. this is not a post left for gamers who feel you should get endless power within one game, and think there is a mountain of gold behind every door. In fact if you don’t understand how to play a game without winning it, you and me may not find much to talk about.

By: Antipater

Antipater — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:57:06 +0000

@ rekres, yes, it was quite shameful for me to only find this article now and not a year earlier. I appreciate your quote at the end which sums up most of my point, sans player preference being the ultimate factor. I understand your passion and applaud it, I merely define an intolerant and derogatory stance as abrasive. I have found people are more likely to listen to what I say when I respect their viewpoints and argue the facts instead of ad hominem and bandwagon tactics. Maybe we’ll run into each other at a convention and get a chance to play some 4E together, I would really enjoy that!

By: rekres

rekres — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:30:09 +0000

“abrasive defense”

Well, if by abrasive you mean like a cleanser clearing away misconceptions. I was simply trying to counter some of the negative points raised with some more accurate information. I prefer the term “passionate” rather than “abrasive” but to each his own.

Oh and congratulations of responding almost a full year after my last post…. ;)

“Two of the greatest fallacies of mankind. Something is better because it is new. Something is better because it is old.”

By: Antipater

Antipater — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:31:57 +0000

@ rekres… D&D 4E has its place and is a viable role playing game like many other but your abrasive defense makes you sound like you have some vested interest in its success. 4E is NOT the end-all be-all D&D game. That game is whatever a player prefers as new D&D editions are rolled out until either the company goes under or table-top rpgs become obsolete (god-forbid!). I personally like 3.5E and 4E equally and prefer to play them with the occasional divergence to AD&D for nostalgia or another system/genre for a change.

By: rekres

rekres — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:22:35 +0000

CinnamonPixie: Have you even looked at what’s available online? DnD Insider has the Compendium… an online searchable database of the entire PHB (and hopefully the Monster Manual eventually). Both Dungeon and Dragon magazines have been putting out some rather interesting stuff… as good as or even better than the print versions from a year ago.

Of course you don’t care about 4E so you’d rather hide your head in the sands of ignorance.

By: CinnamonPixie

CinnamonPixie — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:52:29 +0000

As if the joke about the online tools isn’t the laughing stock of the gaming world already… you actually cite the following as a reason for 4e being “the best RPG ever” ?!

There’s some stability there – seems like the d20 is not going anywhere and will still be the cornerstone of the mechanics.

You’ve got to be kidding?! There’s never been ANYTHING to suggest that the d20 was going away or losing it’s importance in the game. Heck the 3.5 rules are even called the “d20 system.” Guess that makes pretty much ANYTHING that uses a d20 as a major component of the system mechanics worthy of being “the best RPG ever” eh? Well, let’s face it, as bad as 4e is everything else looks that much better… So maybe you ARE on to something. ;)

By: rekres

rekres — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:25:57 +0000

Old enough to have played AD&D 1st edition…. back before it was called ‘1st edition’… ;)

Plus there is an excellent reference on the history of roleplaying games and D&D in its many forms. ‘Heroic Worlds’ by Lawrence Shick. The first part of the book is a overview and history of RPG’s, the remaining 2/3 of the book is an obsolete, but comprehensive (at the date of publishing) listing of all the modules, supplements, and rulebooks available for just about every system ever printed.

http://www.amazon.com/Heroic-Worlds-History-Guide-Playing/dp/0879756535/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214882433&sr=8-1

By: Dodger

Dodger — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:11:55 +0000

“Learn your history, bub.”

Uhm, how old are you?

By: rekres

rekres — Sun, 25 May 2008 03:01:42 +0000

“but after 20+ years in the hobby I can tell you, D&D is basically just a wargame with occasional roleplaying elements. ”

Learn your history, bub. D&D STARTED as a wargame with occasional roleplaying elements.

It is dumbed down? Have you ever actually read some of the original rules from OD&D? I have… talk about ‘dumb’. I played in a demo of the 4E rules last Friday. The rules are a lot simpler… but simple != dumb.

And many people complain about WotC using this as an excuse to sell more books. Well duh! They ARE a publishing company. If they want to make money and stay in business they HAVE to sell more books.

By: Nobita

Nobita — Sat, 24 May 2008 09:17:02 +0000

I didn’t think it could be dumbed down any further but they managed it, it seems. The 4th edition is just a marketing ploy to sell more miniatures, that’s why they are tying their use in more closely with this version. You don’t need this new version, people. Fair enough D&D is what got many people into the table top hobby, respect is due, but after 20+ years in the hobby I can tell you, D&D is basically just a wargame with occasional roleplaying elements. It’s for munchkins who don’t understand what roleplaying really is, and only become fully erect at the thought of hitting the next level and getting a cheesy new feat.
It doesn’t have the depth and thought required in more cerebral rpgs out there. Do some digging kids, there’s a world of fun out there.