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	<title>Comments on: Changes to Alignment in 4th Edition D&amp;D</title>
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		<title>By: Tzenmoroth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tzenmoroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Wizards of the Coast is Lawful Retarted.</description>
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		<title>By: FreedomForPriya</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreedomForPriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hear hear, I&#039;m with Matt Nynel. I &lt;3 chaotic, I don&#039;t like neutral, good or evil!

Dungeons and Dragons is so religiotic... man I remember the old text games, before video games! Using yer brain, imagining it all :-) now THAT&#039;s fun! DnD go fuck yerself, make some improvements that count and give us less gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hear hear, I&#8217;m with Matt Nynel. I &lt;3 chaotic, I don&#039;t like neutral, good or evil!</p>
<p>Dungeons and Dragons is so religiotic&#8230; man I remember the old text games, before video games! Using yer brain, imagining it all :-) now THAT&#039;s fun! DnD go fuck yerself, make some improvements that count and give us less gods.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nynel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nynel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s really happened is that they have ditched the neutrals, without of the True one, made 4 alignments of good, evil, chaotic and lawful...and then decided that lawful is good and chaotic is bad....I don&#039;t know but I&#039;ve allways seen lawfully good to the extreme is the most evil alignment in whole: Zevs in the greek pantheon is such, he would do what was neccesery for him, family and the world to keep order to maximum and even punish those who helped him because they broke one of his stupid rules...there really should only be three alignments: lawful, chaotic and neutral. Hence the good vs. evil would be drawn above through your actions, while the three personality streaks would be the guidelines for your characters behavior while doing either bad og good deeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s really happened is that they have ditched the neutrals, without of the True one, made 4 alignments of good, evil, chaotic and lawful&#8230;and then decided that lawful is good and chaotic is bad&#8230;.I don&#8217;t know but I&#8217;ve allways seen lawfully good to the extreme is the most evil alignment in whole: Zevs in the greek pantheon is such, he would do what was neccesery for him, family and the world to keep order to maximum and even punish those who helped him because they broke one of his stupid rules&#8230;there really should only be three alignments: lawful, chaotic and neutral. Hence the good vs. evil would be drawn above through your actions, while the three personality streaks would be the guidelines for your characters behavior while doing either bad og good deeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellwalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellwalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thinks this alignment system in a way is laughable 
I mean first they simplify it to extremes of Hero versus Villain(Good vs Evil), and then stereotype everything else under unaligned. 
and after that BLAME unaligned for escaping moral dilemmas. 

I mean what more obvious way is there to escape &quot;moral&quot; dilemmas then to throw away responsibility for your actions and their consequences, and hide from it under so pathetic concept as &quot;The right thing to do&quot;. 

Basically what we get is adventuring system that is designed to be simple and &quot;easy going&quot; morality/personality phylosophywise, good old Buttkicking for goodness. and then game system judges you for not taking this simplified system seriously and blames you of escaping responsibility. 

I just have no idea how to roleplay in a setting like that, all attempts to roleplay deep characters that actually care about the consequences of their actions will lead you outside that alignment system. 

So basically we end up with a system that is designed for typical human behavior, leaving all thinking individuals out of the game world. 

I&#039;m unhappy with other world/lore changes as well. well like videogame RPG-s I guess Tabletop games will suffer from &quot;Laming down everything for masses to gain more profit&quot; trend.

so I will just ingnore the fact of this new settings existence. I don&#039;t actively play pnp games, and DnD 3.5, VTM: masquerade, Warhammer 40k should be enough for me.
Since bioware stopped producing dnd based games, I hope I won&#039;t have to suffer through dnd 4.0 VG RPG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thinks this alignment system in a way is laughable<br />
I mean first they simplify it to extremes of Hero versus Villain(Good vs Evil), and then stereotype everything else under unaligned.<br />
and after that BLAME unaligned for escaping moral dilemmas. </p>
<p>I mean what more obvious way is there to escape &#8220;moral&#8221; dilemmas then to throw away responsibility for your actions and their consequences, and hide from it under so pathetic concept as &#8220;The right thing to do&#8221;. </p>
<p>Basically what we get is adventuring system that is designed to be simple and &#8220;easy going&#8221; morality/personality phylosophywise, good old Buttkicking for goodness. and then game system judges you for not taking this simplified system seriously and blames you of escaping responsibility. </p>
<p>I just have no idea how to roleplay in a setting like that, all attempts to roleplay deep characters that actually care about the consequences of their actions will lead you outside that alignment system. </p>
<p>So basically we end up with a system that is designed for typical human behavior, leaving all thinking individuals out of the game world. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m unhappy with other world/lore changes as well. well like videogame RPG-s I guess Tabletop games will suffer from &#8220;Laming down everything for masses to gain more profit&#8221; trend.</p>
<p>so I will just ingnore the fact of this new settings existence. I don&#8217;t actively play pnp games, and DnD 3.5, VTM: masquerade, Warhammer 40k should be enough for me.<br />
Since bioware stopped producing dnd based games, I hope I won&#8217;t have to suffer through dnd 4.0 VG RPG.</p>
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		<title>By: HerdyGerdyTookARide</title>
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		<dc:creator>HerdyGerdyTookARide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reference for what chaotic&#039;s are like, and i used google books for this, READ THROUGH from page 350 to 377 &amp; onwards if you like Glossaries, from the book the Criminal Behavior: A Process by Pallone &amp; Hennessy, try google books for a preview!

 It helped me see the chaotic good in a less glamorous light and i really do think that&#039;s the truth of the Chaotic Good Character. My own example, John Mclain in Die Hard, how  much good does he do? Loads! In the process he costs innocent bystanders, loads of property and probably jobs and definitely homes, whereas ordinarily he&#039;s so difficult his wife and family can&#039;t stand him. Chaotic. Very gritty characters to play, which i like, and very roleplay-material! &quot;P

 Hope that helps Chaotic&#039;s further develop their characters and master the energies of chaos.
NB&gt; Think Illidan of World of Warcraft too! Not the books or online game version, the Warcraft game series version. Those who grew up playing Warcraft will know what i mean. He&#039;s the Night Elf brother of Malfurion, the one who rescues Tyrande Whisperwind. The one who... Maeiv the Hunter is after him and he is freed from prison by Tyrande. Know what i mean? Yeah, you do. Or you gotta play the series! ~_~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reference for what chaotic&#8217;s are like, and i used google books for this, READ THROUGH from page 350 to 377 &amp; onwards if you like Glossaries, from the book the Criminal Behavior: A Process by Pallone &amp; Hennessy, try google books for a preview!</p>
<p> It helped me see the chaotic good in a less glamorous light and i really do think that&#8217;s the truth of the Chaotic Good Character. My own example, John Mclain in Die Hard, how  much good does he do? Loads! In the process he costs innocent bystanders, loads of property and probably jobs and definitely homes, whereas ordinarily he&#8217;s so difficult his wife and family can&#8217;t stand him. Chaotic. Very gritty characters to play, which i like, and very roleplay-material! &#8220;P</p>
<p> Hope that helps Chaotic&#8217;s further develop their characters and master the energies of chaos.<br />
NB&gt; Think Illidan of World of Warcraft too! Not the books or online game version, the Warcraft game series version. Those who grew up playing Warcraft will know what i mean. He&#8217;s the Night Elf brother of Malfurion, the one who rescues Tyrande Whisperwind. The one who&#8230; Maeiv the Hunter is after him and he is freed from prison by Tyrande. Know what i mean? Yeah, you do. Or you gotta play the series! ~_~</p>
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