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New RPG Marketplace Now Free To Use!

Written by Expy - Published on May 15, 2010

For Sellers – Here’s a run down of the main updates we’ve made to the marketplace:

1.) All Listings Are Permanent – Thats right, you won’t have to re-submit your listing every 30 days. All listings are now permanent. However, upon making your listing, you will be emailed a unique URL where you can edit/delete the listing in the future if you would like to do so. SAVE THAT EMAIL.

The default tab on the homepage will be “latest listings” so for those browsing the marketplace for a new game/adventure/puzzle/or software app, you will see the most recent listings first. This should make your life easier.

However, listings will remain in the marketplace sorted in alphabetical order under their category for the life of the listing.

2.) All Listings Are Now Free. For sellers who are actively marketing their products or services elsewhere online, via their own site or another marketplace, (heck, we do it, you probably should too), it only makes sense to make a listing here as well since it’s free to do so.

No listing fees. No transaction fees. Period.

We had originally thought we’d take a listing fee, but after careful thought and consideration, we realized that for publishers with dozens or even hundreds of products to sell, it wasn’t a very realistic or scalable format to do business.

So we thought, what the heck? Lets make it free to use!

3.) All Product Listings Are Now Secure!- This was by far the biggest request we saw after the original post announcing the new marketplace. Before, you were responsible for providing a unique URL where we could direct customers after checkout to download your product.

However, some sellers expressed a concern with the thought of their products being shared with non paying customers, and didn’t feel very secure about advertising in our marketplace for fear of rampant pirating of their stuff.

So, you asked for it, we delivered! You can now host a copy of your product on our secure server in a non web accessable location, and when a customer purchases your product, we will make it available in a “my downloads” area that is unique to that customer’s wp-login username and password.

For Buyers – This should hopefully turn out to be fantastic news for all RPGers everywhere. Here’s a few things to know:

1.) You Are Not Buying Products From DungeonMastering.com – Just to be clear, if you purchase a product from the RPG marketplace, you should contact the seller of that product directly with any questions you may or may not have about it.

Our own products, such as Arete, or Zombie Murder Mystery, will be listed in the marketplace, however that does not mean all products belong to us. We hope to integrate a review system/trust rating in the future to help buyers better recognize who they are dealing with, but for the most part, you shouldn’t ever have any problems.

Sellers will not be able to complete a listing without uploading a product to our server, so if it’s a question of deliverability, we should be able to help you out. But all other questions should be directed to the seller.

2.) The More Products You Buy, The Better The Marketplace Becomes!

This goes both ways actually. The more we gamers support fellow publishers by purchasing from them, the more publishers will want to use the marketplace…Which means MORE GAMING PRODUCTS for us to browse =).

But on the other side of the coin, the more sellers that begin listing their products in the marketplace, the more gamers will be attracted to come check them out. Sellers scratch buyers’ backs by making their gaming products available at a good price, and buyers scratch sellers’ backs by patronizing the marketplace. Win win situation for everyone involved we think!

3.) You Will Need a WordPress Login to Access Products. The same email address and password you would use to sign in to make a blog comment is the same information you’ll need to purchase and download products from the marketplace.

So when you attempt purchasing a product, and you are asked for login information, that’s what you’ll need.

Thats it for now! We hope you guys enjoy the updates we’ve made. The marketplace will continue to grow and change overtime. YOU are an important part of making that happen!

Post your thoughts/ideas/feature requests here or send them to us using the contact form and we’ll do our best to get them integrated as soon as possible, within reason of course.

Lastly, if you would like to donate to the marketplace to help pay for programming and feature upgrades, or just to say “thanks” for being able to use it for free, we welcome all such donations, and you can contribute by clicking on the “Donate” paypal button in the upper right hand corner of the marketplace.

Happy Gaming!

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24 Responses to “New RPG Marketplace Now Free To Use!”
  1. Ben says:

    Hey, I have a Question Regarding the DM Marketplace. Will Wargames be allowed on the market place?

    Because i am writing my own rules for a “semi-turn based” wargame System and I would love to post them on the DM Marketplace when they are complete.

  2. Brian says:

    As long as it’s downloadable, you sure can. We’d welcome it!

  3. Ben says:

    Thanks for the quick Reply :)

    I will be working hard to make the Game as Awesome as possible.

    Thanks for your kindness and Generosity.

    You Guys ROCK!

  4. Great list of changes. Glad to see you took some of our suggestions and those of the other commenters on the last go around to heart. Nevermet Press is going to dive in and list our products as we develop them.

    One questions — sales tracking. Will the sale go _directly_ to our paypal account, or is it passed through your service first? Are there any commissions? i.e. RPGNOW.com sells for 35% commission rate. Are you saying that your commission rate is now 0%? If so.. that’s awesome! If not, is there a way for sellers to track sales, clickthroughs, item views, etc?


  5. Brian says:

    By “no transaction fees” we mean “0% commissions”. You get 100% of each sale directly to your paypal account. As such, we are yet to have integrated a seller tracking interface to give click through rates, item views, or sales tracking.

    The only real “sales tracking” you’ll get is from paypal, and I’d suggest perhaps pricing it slightly different/lower than you have it other places to make the tracking easier. For instance, if you’re selling from your own site at $19.99, you could list it here for $19 flat, or $19.95 or something like that so you know its from DungeonMastering.com’s Marketplace.

    As we get funds to make upgrades perhaps we can integrate the click tracking and so forth later on down the road. Good suggestions. Glad you like the updates! Looking forward to seeing what Nevermet Press puts out =)

  6. =(

    I got this:

    “Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 25245000 bytes) in /home/dungeon/public_html/inc/simpleimage.php on line 35”

    I’ll try again — but I thought I’d let you know.

  7. Brian says:

    Thanks John, might have something to do with the image size you uploaded. Re-check the dimensions according to the directions in the white box on the make a listing page and try again.

  8. Brian says:

    jonathan ^ sorry

  9. Kurtis says:

    Great job guys;
    I know I have not been around lately to look at the site and all the “new” items. However I’m impressed with the layout.

    as for the marketplace.
    This is a great concept but how are you affording the upkeep fees or are those part of a larger package? Now that I’m going to college for computer tech. I have to wonder about these questions.

  10. Question : Can physical products be sold in the Marketplace?

  11. The system does not work as described.

    We uploaded The Desire to your Marketplace this afternoon. I then logged out and returned to the site. Here’s what happened:

    I landed on the marketplace page, clicked The Desire.
    On the Details page the price was greyed out. I had to either Log In or Register to make a purchase.
    I registered as a “new user” using my email address.
    I was told my password would be emailed to me.
    I logged on to gmail, and found the email with the password.
    I clicked the link back to Dungeonmastering.com and landed on my user profile page. It looks like standard WP profile page, no trade dress or logo’s… if I were not a blogger I might have already quite. But…
    I clicked “visit site” at the top of the WP dashboard
    I clicked “Marketplace”.
    Being logged in now, the price was now a Buy Now paypal button.
    I clicked it.
    It took me to the standard PayPal merchant purchase window.
    I paid the $4.95
    I landed on the recipt of transaction page (at paypal). There was a link to “Return to Nevermet Press” – I clicked it and landed back on Dungeonmastering.com with an error message: a blank page that said “error on page” that was it.
    I clicked refresh – same thing.
    I closed my browser, checked my email. There was a recipet from Paypal and Nevermet Press thanking me for my purchase.
    Where is the download link?

    I basically paid $4.95 and got nothing in return. I don’t see the download link anywhere, and there were far too many steps involved.

    I think it is excellent what you are trying to do here – but the system doesn’t seem to work as described. Perhaps simply using the eJunkie platform would be better? (that’s what we use at NMP’s website for direct sales).

    In the meantime… I also can’t figure out how to remove our listing from your website… please can you do it for us (At least until you have this system functioning?)

    cheers, — jonathan.

  12. Admin says:

    Hi, I’m the programmer for the marketplace, and I’d like to answer a few of your questions.

    > It looks like standard WP profile page, no trade dress or logo’s… if I were not a blogger I might have already quite [sic].

    The process of creating an account and verifying your email is pretty typical for buying products online. The fact that you are taken to the WordPress profile page instead of the place you started the registration process from is unfortunate, but unavoidable without fixing a fault in WordPress. It is something we might consider doing in the future, however.

    > I landed on the recipt of transaction page (at paypal). There was a link to “Return to Nevermet Press” – I clicked it and landed back on Dungeonmastering.com with an error message: a blank page that said “error on page” that was it.

    I’ve looked into this, and found that the system thought (for a very good reason I can’t reveal for security reasons) that this was a hacking attempt. The page just says “Error” so as not to tip off the hacker that he’s been detected. I’ve made the security a little less strict so that it won’t stop a legitimate purchase in the future.

    The page you should have been brought to after purchase was the My Purchased Products page. You can still go there by clicking the link from the top of the marketplace front page. From there you should be able to download the product.

    > Notice the reciept comes from NMP.. not you. So it looks like Nevermet Press didn’t deliver…

    When the user clicks the Buy It Now button for your product, they are taken right into your PayPal store. DungeonMastering.com has nothing to do with the purchase from that point, which is why everything in the checkout will be branded with your store’s name (including the “Return to Nevermet Press” link). When the user pays, it’s paid directly to you. The money doesn’t pass through us. In most cases, if the user has a problem (the product was not as described, corrupted, or not uploaded by the seller), they should go right to the seller with any problems. After all, they paid you, not DungeonMastering.com. In this one case, you did not receive your download link because of a problem on our end, but that problem has been fixed and I can assure you it will not happen again.

    > Question : Can physical products be sold in the Marketplace?

    Currently, the marketplace is only intended for downloadable products. You have to provide some sort of download that the user will receive upon making payment, and there is no option for gathering customer shipping information. There may be options for selling physical products in the future.

    > is there a way for sellers to track sales, clickthroughs, item views, etc?

    Items bought through our service will show up as “Product Name – From DungeonMastering.com” in your PayPal account, so you will be able to tell which products came through the marketplace as opposed to other sources. There is no need to do the price change that Brian suggests above.

    > This is a great concept but how are you affording the upkeep fees or are those part of a larger package?

    Since the marketplace is being hosted on the same account as the rest of DungeonMastering.com, the only cost of upkeep is extra bandwidth, which is a few bucks a month. This is being funded entirely by Brian’s generosity (and the hope that a great free service like this will bring lots of traffic to the site that might be interested in paid services like the DungeonMastering Tools). Brian payed me a lot to create the marketplace as a paid service, then payed me more to make it a free service; if you find the service useful, you can thank him by using the donate button at the top right of the marketplace.

  13. This is a fantastic idea and a cool service! We here at Dolmen Creative are using Drivethrustuff.com currently to sell our PDFs. However, in support of Dungeon Mastering, we will offer all of our D&D/PFRPG PDFs at a 10% discount in your store.

    Will publishers also have a place for non-D&D products? Will it be a separate tab from the genres already in the store, or will the non-D&D stuff be mixed in?

  14. Brian says:

    Karl, thanks for sorting things out so fast and answering all the questions Jonathan had.

    Jonathan, my apologies for the hiccup (its brand new as of today), but looks like Karl was on top of it ASAP and there should now be no problem at all.

    Dolmen Creative – SWEEET. Thanks for the 10% discount to our readers. This is exactly the type of thing that will make the marketplace better for everyone. More sales for you, and better deals for our readers.

    Currently, the marketplace isn’t a D&D only marketplace. But I can see how that would be implied since it is “DungeonMastering.com”. Anything RPG related can be listed in the categories we have thus far, and if you don’t have a category that fits your product, you can select “Other” and give a full description of the product in your listing.

    Thanks to all!

  15. Great! thank you for the quick response time. Seems like everything is working now!

  16. Swordgleam says:

    Sounds great! I’ll have to add my products once I have a little more time than I currently do.

    “We here at Dolmen Creative are using Drivethrustuff.com currently to sell our PDFs. However, in support of Dungeon Mastering, we will offer all of our D&D/PFRPG PDFs at a 10% discount in your store.”

    Just an FYI, this is against OpenBookshelf’s terms for non-exclusive sellers and could get your products yanked if they find out. Temporary discounts are fine with them; permanent ones are not.

  17. Swordgleam says:

    I meant OneBookshelf, sorry. I’m just typoing everywhere today.

  18. n00b says:

    I found this hilarious DND campaign blog the other day called “The Smell of n00bs” too funny!

    The players are all pretty new, and make all kinds of mistakes – plus, the DM is pretty witty.

  19. Devious says:

    Pretty cool. Makes me want to write something.

  20. Lisa Fecko says:

    Wow, this looks like an awesome free service! I will want to try our products here when we launch next year. My only question is, will there be anyway to search and list products by seller/writer?

  21. Brian says:

    Thats a good idea. Perhaps we’ll have that added in soon. Updates for today are:

    1.) Email customers download link after purchase

    2.) Make a distinction between physical products and digital products in the listing phase.

    Should be done with these in the next day or so I’d think. Keep the ideas coming!

  22. Cassandra says:

    I have both downloaded a free product (Taverns, from Chaotic Shiny) and set up several products from Tabletop Adventures, and the system seems to work fairly well. The video was helpful, but not absolutely necessary, since the form was mostly self-explanatory. I would like to have seen a view of the second page of the set-up process, to have an idea of what it was like before I got there while actually setting up a product.

    There are a few small things I wish could be changed, but they are minor annoyances considering the price of participation!

    1. When I “Go Back” to make changes to a new product before saving it, or edit a product after it has been saved, the “Category” drop-down box always defaults to “Fantasy,” regardless of the Category that was saved previously. I set up products in the Modern, Sci-Fi, and Other categories (as well as Fantasy) and several times had to go back specifically to correct the Category. This is the ONLY part of the form that changes from how it was previously saved, so it’s hard to remember to check it.

    2. When I edited a product that had already been set up, I clicked the “Save and Preview” button, examined the preview, and then searched all over for something to click to make the changes live, similar to the initial set-up. Eventually I realized that, since the product was already active, saving the changes had made them live. This is logical, but is something I wish I had known in advance. If I’m trying to make a change to a listing, and end up with a mess for some reason, it’s important to know that the mess is then what customers will see until a correction is made! (This would be a great point to include in the video.)

    3. The page preview does not include the “short description” of the product – of course, since that appears on a different page. Thus there is no way to “Go Back” and make corrections to the short description without actually activating a new product and examining its listing. Since no changes can be made until the e-mail arrives with the URL for editing the listing, this could be inconvenient. (See point #4.) Also, it would be helpful to know how long the “short description” can be. I discovered that there IS a limit; it is based on number of characters, or something else? Perhaps just add that note to the heading of that entry field.

    4. The e-mail confirming a listing, and giving the URL to make changes to the listing, goes to the e-mail address used for the PayPal payments. Tabletop Adventures may be unusual in our organization, but the address on our PayPal account is not the one we use for contact with our various sales sites. The guy who does our accounting is getting all the set-up e-mails and has to then send them on to me. It would be ideal to have a separate “Contact E-mail” field that is used for sending the confirmation notes as well as other communications, should there be any.

    Thanks for the opportunity to offer our products to customers in a new way.

  23. DragonlanceBJH says:

    Who ray love that zombie murder mystery

  24. NaN says:

    Great Idea!!!!!!!

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